Scribe: 3.26.2009
Period 4
- The bell rang and Bunisha/Fifi/ET was shockingly not late.
- It turns out that the essay from the previous day, the one that no one tried on, was for early registration in the Cal-State system. (well something like that)
- We took out our green packets and Mr. E explained how all the crap was already weeded out and that the speeches were primarily focused on the main rhetorical appeals. (ethos or pathos)
- Slight uproar for about 5 minutes while people are getting ready to talk about the packets, and suddenly Dylan’s table begins conversing about penises and anuses which Mr. E relates to the spirit of Migerami. (Mrs. Erami)
MLK SPEECH
- this is a speech of pathos, phrases like vicious racists and sweltering heat evoke pity.
- images of peace and harmoney evoke pity/sympathy
- biblical allusion and quotes of the dec. of ind. meant to create emotions of hope. (there are many interpretations of the biblical allusion’s role)
- Dream rooted int he American dream creates unity
- references of youth to spark nostalgia of the happy times
*britanny sinko is BS*
PATRICK HENRY SPEECH
- ethos
- acknowledges that his opinion is exactly…OPINION and that the others may or may not disagree and this allows them to see his rational, thoughtful self to build his good sense.
story time by Mr. E: if someone is fighting for riches, it is not as important (the bleh w/e dgaf mood) as compared to fighting for freedom, which is sometimes all someone has left (Afghanistan has no material wealth but its inhabitants have freedom to lose if US takes gov. over)
RECAP of ETHOS: good sense, goodwill, high moral character ( arete)
QUEEN ELIZABETH I’s speech
- pathos, focusing the passion of the speech on herself, and how she is wiling to die for her country, which is a very out of date ideal (medieval times kings and princes rode in front of army to inspire courage and bravery.) This makes Elizabeth’s emotional appeal all the stronger because she is acting out of custom in her desperation and love for her country.
everyone rushed out to watch the very boring dead people get towed away by cops
heres a picture of the outnumbered and hopeless British against the Spanish armada
Period 5
After watching the 15 minutes simulation at lunch, we all filed into the classroom. The first thing we discussed was how ridiculous the essay prompts were from yesterday. Ryan Butcher even wrote his entire essay about how stupid it was. We then listened to some 15 Minutes announcements, and were sad to here them announce that Shaina had died. The grim reaper came in and took her away, causing some people to cry. Mr. Eldridge pointed out that experiencing this little bit of it is more than enough; the real thing would be unbearable. We then continued with the green packet, so here it is:
Martin Luther King, Jr.
–PATHOS
–what the dreams have in common: an ideal future of JUSTICE! (which is the most important thing)
–an oasis of freedom and justice: an extended metaphor
–end sentence: imagery of everything being made equal
–they are in a state of injustice trying to reach a state of justice
–like a caterpillar!
–People in bondage trying to reach the promise land (Israelites!)
–draws models and diction from the Bible
–“valley of despair” (like the valley of death)
–“I say to you”
–“a state sweltering with the heat of injustice”
–the imagery and reality contrast with the oasis
–why is it pathos?
–directs you to an object: an ideal futurehope (and also Bible/salvationhope)
Patrick Henry
–ETHOS
–why is it ethos?
–says what he values in a person to show that he posses those values (shows high moral character)
–has an “I respect you, so respect me” attitude (shows good will/benevolence)
–values patriotism (Arete)
–says that he will not be biased (good sense)
also…
–warns that his is going to be blunt, tells them not to be offended
–sets the stage for what he is going to say
Queen Elizabeth
–ETHOS
–all about her dedication to the cause
–couldn’t do logical appeal because there is no sound logic as to how they would win
–sense of duty
–God is English? And the Catholic God is the Anti-Christ? (they thought so….)
–they may fear treachery but she doesn’t
–speaks to them as equals, builds them up
Hopefully that helps you all!!
–Melissa
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I was so proud of myself for not being late!
Not only that, but I was on time yesterday too.
2 days in a row.
Now I just have to keep it going. (:
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for MLK, Jr.’s speech:
when he says, “Let us not wallow in the valley of despair” it’s a biblical reference and i think it helps him connect with the audience because it shows that he realizes/recognizes what they are going through.. (unity)
also, he seems to connect his dream with the American dream, showing that he’s not directing his hopes and aspirations to those who are being discriminated against, but to all of America. He sort of connects his dream with what he believes the future American dream should be/how America should be shaped (more unity)
and lastly, he strengthens his argument at the end with the conclusion that every wrong will be made right, that there WILL be change, as all part of God’s will…
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Now I know this is hypothetical, but
couldn’t the English just have sat on their island and waited to fight the Spanish there rather than get demolished by their armada. Either way, it doesn’t matter because the Spanish all drowned.
Also, what is the language on that picture? It doesn’t look like modern/middle/old english.
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Mr. Eldridge Reply:
March 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
@nadir bilici, Well think about it from a military perspective? Ships have the speed and firepower that armies do not. So the Spanish could choose to land wherever whenever. Even in multiple locations. That would be terrible if the Spanish had secret Catholic enclaves just waiting to burst into rebellion (and probably execute all the Protestants in the region, making it a region loyal to the Spanish only). Then you’ve got the other problem of London being built on a navigable river. When there is a high tide you can sail all the way into downtown. If London fell, then they’re really in for it–b/c a large part of the treasury was there, too.
No, it’s much better to take your chances at sea and try to drown some of those soldiers before they ever made it to land.
And the language is Latin. It says, “Dextra Excelsi Fecit Salutem.” I don’t have a dictionary in front of me, and I’m pretty rusty, but I think it translates to something like “The highest right (good) makes safety.”
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At the table of the Shadowy SNAFUS, we were talking about the Freudian psychosexual stages of development. From birth through puberty, a child goes through four stages of fixations: oral, anal, phallic, and latent. Once all these fixations are resolved, a person enters the genital stage, which is the mature psychosexual that is retained for the rest of ones life. According to Freudian theory, a baby is born with an enormous amount of libido, or sexual energy. All that energy is fixated on a particular body part; how that fixation is resolved affects the person’s adult personality. First, there’s the oral stage; babys love and need to put everything in their mouth; mouth is necessary to eat and drink vital nutrients that ensure the baby’s survival. After the oral stage is resolved at around 2 years, a child enters the anal stage. At this point, a child has gained the ability to hold or expel bowel wastes at will; the central conflict at this point is whether to derive pleasure from holding in bowel movements, or releasing them inappropriately. A baby who derived pleasure from holding bowel movements in is said to be anal retentive, which means that they are obssessively neat, tidy, and controlling. A baby who is anal expulsive is usually messy and disorganized as an adult. The next stage is the phallic stage, where children of both sexes are obsessed with phalluses. Boys wonder why girls do not have phalluses, and girls are jealous of boys for having phalluses. This conflict leads to the Oedipus and Electra complexes. In the Oedipus complex, a boy wishes to bed his mother, but he realizes his father is in his way; that is, as long as the boy’s father is still there, the boy cannot attain unto his mother. He then becomes scared that his father will remove his phallus in retaliation (known as castration anxiety), and then seeks to identify with his father for protection and to attain unto a woman very similar to his mother. The voice of his father therefore becomes an integral part of his superego, or his conscience (the other aspects of the human psyche are the id, which comprises the primal impulses and instinctive needs of a human, and the ego, which is realization of the self and forms the largest part of the concious psyche). In the Electra complex, the girl becomes jealous of the fact that her father has a phallus and she doesn’t; this jealousy manifests itself when the girl identifies with her mother to vicariously own her father. The phallic stage is important in a child’s development of the superego and his or her proper sexual role. After the phallic stage is somewhat resolved, the child enters into a latecy period, which continues until puberty. After puberty, the boy and the girl enter their proper sexual and social roles, carrying with them vestiges of their past psychosexual conflicts.
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edguo Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:29 am
@Dylan Lee, wow?
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Ethan Singer Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 10:31 am
@Dylan Lee,
I can understand the first, second, and fourth phases up until puberty, but I don’t really see the basis in the phallic stage. I see that as a boy grows up he slowly becomes closer to his father, but I think that is because of today’s society. As you become a man you need to hang out with the other “men” and can’t be seen with the “women”, else you wish to be scrutinized or otherwised teased. I don’t think that it is because a boy wishes to bed his mother and is afraid of phallus castration. Ouch. On the other hand, I can’t really say whether or not a girl is jealous of her father’s phallus for obvious reasons.
Erami comes back to haunt us…
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alex kolkin Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
@Dylan Lee,
That phallus explanation reminded me of the part in Superbad where he is a little kid and he is obssessed with drawing them.
My intellectual comment of the week.
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michelle einstein Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
@Dylan Lee,
this is a very…interesting argument. usually my group just talks about what we ate for lunch.
Is this really scientifically proven, because a lot of parts seem very phallicly-obsessed? like “In the Electra complex, the girl becomes jealous of the fact that her father has a phallus and she doesn’t.” I think this is debatable, to say the least.
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SEANWANG Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
@michelle einstein,
I think I speak for Nadir and Elysha too when I say, we usually have no idea what Dylan is talking about either.
And I find the link between castration anxiety and the Oedipus complex to be highly circumstantial. The two are assumed to be logically linked as if castration was the obvious solution to the Oedipus complex. Same with the link between castration anxiety and the father’s voice being part of one’s conscious, which can be simply attributed to, say, the father’s role in raising the child and serving as a role model for 18 years, instead of castrater/ terrorist. I think Freud may have been suffering from complexes of his own as some (many) of his theories seem to revolve unnecessarily upon the phallus. Sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog.
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Mr. Eldridge Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
@Dylan Lee, Well you’ve definitely stirred the pot. But as odd Freud is, he does excite discussion. His ideas may seem a bit odd, but he was the first thinker to posit that as social creatures we are preoccupied with sex and are so from a very early age. Of course, we’ve jumped all over that idea. We are now very preoccupied with everyone’s sexuality.
But besides his elaborate theories, we are motivated quite a bit by our real/perceived sexual roles and have competitions that are often based on sexuality.
Freud, though, is pretty obsessed–could it be his revolt against Victorianism? He was a pretty serious narcissist and didn’t have the highest opinion of women. So, I think the important thing to take from his ideas are the concept of the subconscious (which he introduced) and its dark power. We must recognize that our consciousness is not all there is. And that even the most civilized of as are often motivated by animalistic impulses.
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Zach Glasser Reply:
March 30th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
@Dylan Lee, ok obviously Freud was quite eccentric. The whole idea of the a two year old child having sexual urges for his mother, for example, is probably a little much. But we have to understand that much of what Freud said is now the basis of modern psychology, less so in recent years but still very influential. The whole idea that people are motivated by unconscious urges, as well as childhood traumatic experiences, was revolutionary at the time. I actually tend to agree with a lot of Freud’s idea’s; I think we often think so highly of ourselves as advanced human beings that we forget how instinctual much of our decisions are. Even the Oedipus complex deserves some looking into. It may seem ridiculous and repulsive at first, but if you really think about it, you can sort of see where Freud is coming from. Yes, Freud was very, as many people have commented “phallicly obsessed”, but is this really so strange? I think if we really think about it, many of our decisions are based on sexual or other primal instincts, and that was really the key to Freud’s theories.
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Yeah, the whole every 15 minutes program is way more than enough.
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